the other thing is the moscow ufo or halo cloud started off as a true hole punch cloud would not someone in that city have noticed it or mentioned it? hole punch clouds or fallstreak holes start off as a hole in the sky. the moscow hole punch cloud does not appear to.

so the real question is how was the moscow hole punch cloud formed into a doughnut shape? the meteorology explanation is only an idea, it is not a fact and no one really knows how they are formed. what science tells us makes no sense. how do they form pentagrams (http://www.xearththeory.com/punch_hole_clouds_fallstreak_holes.html) and oblongs?
was the doughnut shape created by whatever creates a normal hole punch cloud but this time it was seen in a different form. does this show that the meteorology explanation for the moscow hole punch cloud is not correct.

please can someone on this site explain how all the different shapes are formed and especially the doughnut shape? it is an interesting test case for the standard theory the proof of a good theory is that it can explain most related things.

that same website has a webpage (http://www.xearththeory.com/how_why_what_are_punch_hole_clouds_fallstreak_holes.html) that has a very different idea which seems to be that the ice particles are not the cause but an effect, a by product of what actually creates the hole punch clouds

all ideas need to be considered and it would be good to have a weather person give their thoughts on this